Cuz real life sucks thats why we're playing video games instead?

If I wanted to play real life I would play real life.

Maybe instead they could limit the number of supercaps on the same grid, as in if there is more than a few supers within 200km you can't cyno or warp another super there, similar to deployable cynojammers. Could be interesting as battles would get dispersed in the system.

Same limits but higher could be applied to caps separately.

Maybe instead they could limit the number of supercaps on the same grid, as in if there is more than a few supers within 200km you can't cyno or warp another super there, similar to deployable cynojammers. Could be interesting as battles would get dispersed in the system.

Same limits but higher could be applied to caps separately.

So first team in wins?

Do you really want to kill deep 0.0? How can a small alliance live in deep space, if they are not able to control the whole way from and to there area?

Today they can rely on jumpfreighters to get stuff in (t2 Modules, Isotopes of other regions) and out (moongold).

Same problem with black ops if they can't make hit and run operations because they have to wait for the counter to go to zero then the fun of blackop operations is ruined!

For the people of deep 0.0 space do not nerf Jumpfreighters!

For the fun in the game do not nerf blackops!

It seems like this could be fixed up if some kind of a penalty is applied when you leave the JF ship and switch to a different capital ship.

Speaking of "exploits", there's already a potential "exploit" with JFs getting used to get around to capitals with 90% reduction of fatigue.

And I'm going to go there, Greyscale is a freaking moron.

If I had 1 wish, it would be that he would be summarily fired from CCP. If I had 2, he'd be fired and then neutered so his stupidity would be prevented from continuing on.

Give me 3 wishes, and his entire genetic history would be removed from all of history.

OK, I've read every post up to page 200, and we're getting to a point in this thread where there's not a lot of new concerns or suggestions being brought up. There will be future threads (and future blogs) as we tune details, but for now I want to thank you for all of your constructive input, and wish you a good weekend :)

Note that with 5ly jump range there's _no_ JF route from drone regions to highsec at all that goes near stations, none. There are only 2 stations in the Great Wildlands and they are not within jump range to either empire or drone regions. And you can't have Cynosural Arrays in Great Wildlands either, so you'd have to jump near a POS (and get ganked with 100% confidence by capital gankers watching for cynos with logged off stalker toons in every system and jumping 3 naglfars from a nearby NPC station and alphaing the JF instantly).

So JF logistics to drone regions will actually become more or less impossible.

So this will nerf the drone regions disproportionately compared to most other regions i think.

Stain will also get hit hard but at least there's a route through Catch/Providence.

If i were CCP I'd think about this for a minute before making such a drastic change, the map just doesn't seem to be designed for 5ly jumps.

This is by far the worst game breaking change that has ever been thought up.

Why don't you add some content to Null Sec that will attract more players instead of breaking game mechanics that are working perfectly fine?

Isn't it pretty obvious we need new content?

Many players have gotten so bored with the game they spend their time griefing new players in High Sec. Has anyone noticed the rampant High Sec war deccing lately? Eve is starting to feel like one of those old games where only bitter vets are left to harass anyone that attempts to play the game.

CCP please donGÇÖt break the game more than it already is!

I've been playing with this for a couple days, and here's the adjustment I propose:

Fatigue = (Fatigue Before Jump + Distance of Jump)^(Destination Distance from Origin * A + B)

Distance from origin is just the straight-line distance in light years. Origin is set when you make a jump with 0 fatigue and can be reset when you are back to 0 fatigue (it could also be available to reset after a period of time of several hours regardless of fatigue, which is also interesting). A and B are just constants to tweak for balance. A sets how far from your origin you can go before fatigue really starts ramping up quickly; that distance is 1/A light years. B is just a tuning knob, especially handy for tweaking the effect on short range travel. Individual ships could get bonuses to one or the other, as well. All the other mechanics about fatigue work identically. A = 0.05 and B = .3 generate interesting results, for sure.

The effect of this is that short range travel, such as within your own region, isn't punished as though it's exactly like long distance travel. It's important to note that that isn't the same as "not punished at all" but rather that it imposes interesting choice on that movement. The industry player might ask himself whether he wants to take a gate to the expensive factory next door (three minute round trip, for example) or the bridge to the factory in the next constellation, which is cheaper but has a six minute round trip. The pilot PvPing and defending his home from roamers might decide whether taking that third bridge in two hours is worth the ten minute wait, worth not being able to get back around in that time. As proposed by the blog, neither player can make more than a few jumps before effectively losing the ability for the entire play session. Heck, even the force seeking to cross a long distance in EVE can decide whether they want to get there faster or avoid obstacles but impair their mobility upon arrival, or take it slow but have more full mobility. And in an invasion, both the invaders and defenders would have the benefit of their cyno movement being local and so somewhat less restricted, allowing for a nice balance between the current paradigm where the target region plus three regions surrounding it are the battlefield, and the paradigm of this blog. where lack of mobility restricts the battlefield to just one or two systems.

It also nicely addresses some complaints of the thread. Blackops battleships don't get rendered completely ineffectual, because most of their movement takes place within a limited distance from a staging location. Jump Freighters would get hit far less hard, because half of their movement would be back towards their origin.

The fatigue mechanic in general has plenty of promise and is an elegant solution to what most acknowledge as a problem in EVE, but crushing nullsec quality of life in the process isn't necessary - the method above addresses that.

Cool idea but not very intuitive to understand for someone not mathematically inclined. Seems like you'd need a way to predict what your fatigue is going to be / fatigue planner with this formula. Heck I'd need a spreadsheet to calculate it lol

I do like the idea of jumping back to your "base" not accumulating the fatigue or even reducing it but I think it could be done in more intuitive terms.

Maybe very directly so, ie, the system where you spent the most time within the past 24 or 48 hrs becomes your "fatigue origin" and fatigue is calculated as a fixed function of distance to base.

If you can achieve the same goal with a simpler formula that's a strictly better solution.

I've been playing with this for a couple days, and here's the adjustment I propose:

Fatigue = (Fatigue Before Jump + Distance of Jump)^(Destination Distance from Origin * A + B)

What it would actually work out to be is Fatigue = (Fatigue Before Jump + Distance of Jump)^(b)) (the distance *a drops out as zero).

So, it would then depend on B. But as long as B is not zero then no, you don't zero out your fatigue by jumping back to orgin

Just another point of interest to me; Most people agree that the patch is 'required/not a bad idea' on some level or another. Furthermore most people want to eve plunge into chaos, which is in many ways is great, more fights more fun. But as any nullsec pilot will know, evacing ones stuff is an issue. And if true chaos does return to Eve, and sov changes hands constantly, it will become difficult to evac with current proposed jump restrictions. (dont get me wrong, I am mostly for the jump nerfsss) but evaccing already sucked before, imagine how much it will suck now.....

Bigger ore capacity, esp when combined with fuel optimizers.

Obviously you don't live in Cobalt Edge and it doesn't require you 20 JF jumps to get to nearest reachable empire station having to gothrough non-sov systems without stations.

You seem to be making some incorrect assumptions that i'm somehow unhappy with these changes while i'm simply pointing out the facts so that CCP can take it into account while hopefully making an informed decision without undesired consequences.

Drone regions are special because there's a stationless gap in Great Wildlands that prevents near-station 5LY jump navigation completely. Such nerf to jump range will single out drone regions.. for better or worse. No other regions exhibit the same characteristic as far as I know. Even Stain/Paragon Soul are connected to empire through a chain of station jumps, making drone regions distinctly different from the rest of 0.0.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/jump/Rorqual,044,S/58Z-IH:Odebeinn

Compare that to say

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/jump/Rorqual,044,S/ZDYA-G:Odebeinn

You can see that there are stations along the navigation path.